Posts by Indian Larry

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Jack Johnson Made My Hero List............

by charlie brown jr. in

did anyone see the vid of jack johnson surprising a young sick boy in the hospital with a skype visit????.

he started to play the little boys fav song...upside down..and as sick as this poor little boy is............. you can see his eyes light up and this boy is thrilled singing along...... brought a fu****g tear to my eye.................. so touching.................. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqudi4aidf0.

Indian Larry

I always liked the lyrics of this Jack Johnson song (words in parenthesis mine)

I was reading a book
Or maybe it was a magazine (Watchtower)
Suggestions on where to place faith (Governing Body)
Suggestions on what to believe (Anytthing the FDS tells you)
But I read somewhere (Crisis of Conscience)
That you've got to beware
You can't believe anything you read (ain't that the truth)
But the good Book is good
And that's well understood
So don't even question
If you know what I mean

But it's all relative
Even if you don't understand
Well it's all understood
Especially when you don't understand
And it's all just because
Even if we don't understand
Then lets all just believe

But there you go once again
You missed the point and then you point
Your fingers at me
And say that I said not to believe
I believe

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Looking for examples of how the Watchtower usurps Jesus position.

by Indian Larry in

i am doing a personal research project and looking for examples of how the watchtower usurps jesus postion.

scriptural or wt references would be great.

thanks!.

Indian Larry

Wow these are all great! I especially like the comments about the annointed. Even being a Witness for years and years I never put that together. Also the link to freeminds was excellent. This site is a real help, thanks to everyone and don't stop. Once I get it all together I will post what I come up with.

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Looking for examples of how the Watchtower usurps Jesus position.

by Indian Larry in

i am doing a personal research project and looking for examples of how the watchtower usurps jesus postion.

scriptural or wt references would be great.

thanks!.

Indian Larry

Here are some I had:

"By submitting to the slave class, God’s people also show their subjection to the Master, Jesus Christ." (w02 10/1 p. 19)

"Make haste to identify the visible theocratic organization of God that represents his king, Jesus Christ. It is essential for life. Doing so, be complete in accepting its every aspect. We cannot claim to love God, yet deny his Word and channel of communication." (w67 10/1 pp. 591-92)

And the big one: (copied off of a web site)

The Bible says that there is “one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus” (1 Tim. 2:5). A mediator is somebody who acts as an ambassador, a channel of communication between two parties. By claiming to be such a channel, the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses is usurping some of Christ’s role. They are careful not to call themselves a mediator and hide behind the designation "faithful and discreet slave," but their job description is the same as that of a mediator. Instead of the spiritual direction going from God to Jesus to humans, they are claiming it goes from God to Jesus to "the faithful and discreet slave" (represented by the Governing Body) to humans. Also, the way they stress the need for the organization to teach the Witnesses and guide them in their thinking and conduct, the Watchtower Society effectively usurps the role of the Holy Spirit who, as Jesus promised, ‘will teach you all things’ and ‘guide you into all truth.’ (John 14:26; 16:13)

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Looking for examples of how the Watchtower usurps Jesus position.

by Indian Larry in

i am doing a personal research project and looking for examples of how the watchtower usurps jesus postion.

scriptural or wt references would be great.

thanks!.

Indian Larry

I am doing a personal research project and looking for examples of how the Watchtower usurps Jesus postion. Scriptural or WT references would be great. Thanks!

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Ancient Israelites were the original JWs!

by serenitynow! in

so sayeth the f&ds on page 26 of the 2/2012 wt.

under the title "why does god have an organization?

" it says "god chose the israelites to be his witnesses.

Indian Larry

@ Blondie – Thanks for that post. I knew they orignally seperated the "Jonadabs" from the real "Jehovah's Witnesses" back in the 1930's but I did not know that continued in print right up through the '60s.

@Smiddy – Your comment about the average Witness not understanding reminded me of the lyrics of a Jack Johnson song I always liked called "It's all understood" . . .

I was reading a book
Or maybe it was a magazine
Suggestions on where to place faith
Suggestions on what to believe
But I read somewhere
That you've got to beware
You can't believe anything you read
But the good Book is good
And that's well understood
So don't even question
If you know what I mean

But it's all relative
Even if you don't understand
Well it's all understood
Especially when you don't understand
And it's all just because
Even if we don't understand
Then lets all just believe

But there you go once again
You missed the point and then you point
Your fingers at me
And say that I said not to believe
I believe
I guess
I guess it's all relative

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5 Top Regrets Of the Dying.

by metatron in

jw
friends

http://www.rense.com/general95/regrets.htm.

very interesting stuff.

makes you think about what's important.. metatron.

Indian Larry

Great post! How true.

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"It's Ok to Lie"

by Azazel in

my turn on the soapbox.. .

well friends ive just gotton home from the special edition meeting, care of the enthusiastic circus overseer and what a great moral lesson his talk was tonight.. .

do you want to be a guest in god's tent?.

Indian Larry

I have a question for Azazel (original poster)

If I read your post correctly you are "sitting in the back row" at the KH? If you are already DF'd why in the world would you still be going to the hall?

If you are on this board you are obviously aware that they organizaiton is guilty of false prophecy, hypocrisy, false doctrine, misleading quotes, lying, etc. etc.

Just wondering.

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Feeling down.... BIG time

by Free!! in

jw
friends

i know i don't post here often.... i just lurk around and read most of the threads daily (from my phone)....but today is one of those days that i just feel like "blah"... i dont care about anything, i realize i dont have anything, all my friends are busy or with their own set of problems... and i just dont want to bother then.. it sucks..... i just need to vent, let everything out... i really want to scream, but i cant... i wish i could run away from everything and just start fresh, i feel like a failure and i just dont like me at all....i was so down a few days ago i was thinking about going back to the hall, because i feel so lonely... but i refused to let my depression make me do something so silly... .

thanks for even looking at this thread... i just need it to vent or i am going to explode.... :(.

Indian Larry

+1 for http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/

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What's The Biggest Difference In Today's JWs And The Witnesses From Decades Ago?

by minimus in

jw
friends

i believe today's witnesses lack zeal, resolve, "love" of the "truth"......just to name a few things.. years ago, witnesses were excited to knock on doors and tell people they were gonna die if they didn't accept paradise.. now, when you see jws in service, they all look zombied out.. it's a slowly dying religion that will last probably forever like an ancient rotted out tree..

Indian Larry

I liken it to being on a deserted island. Decades ago....the brothers were marching up and down the sand....setting off flares and smoke signals.....staying up all night to do so because of how confident they were that they were going to see a ship on the horizon. Now....the brothers are kind of huddled in a cave.....doing what they need to do to survive......holding out hope that a ship may come some day.....putting a smile on their faces to encourage others....but in their hearts....they fear that they will never leave this cave.

Outsmarthesystem - That is a very good ananogy!

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Read S. Hassan's Book: Do JW's really fit the cult mold?

by simon17 in

first time i got a chance to read his book, "combatting cult mind control" and was interested to see if jw's fell into the cult mold.

my opinion after carefully reading and having left the witnesses after almost 30 years is... no, they don't.

however, i would add that they wish they were but are simply too big and unwieldy to really pull it off.

Indian Larry

I too read S. Hassans first book, and based on the definition of cult in that book I would not say that the WT meets the definition of a cult. AS IT IS DEFINED IN STEVE HASSANS FIRST BOOK. I am not saying they are not a cult, I am simply saying that as that book defines the word cult they do not meet the criteria. They do meet the criteria in that book for high control group. Another thing that goes in favor of the WT not being a full blown cult would be all of the churn seen in the org. They are really busy trying to bring new publishers in the front door but just as many are walking (or kicked out) the back door. I would say most cults like the moonies for instance don't have as high of a churn rate as the WT.

Before everybody jumps on me, keep in mind I am not defending the ORG just stating an opinion. I also do agree with the person who mentioned how many lives they have ruined. That is the worse part of all, how they have torn apart families. It is sickening. I know some on this board no longer believe in God, but I still do. I believe that those at the top who are responsible for this will be called into account. At least I hope so.